It's easier to call this "snpb - random"

Discussion of playback questions / problems. Any recording where people have playback problems should appear here.

Moderator: Chad

Post Reply
User avatar
giro-X
MARPaltunnel Wrists
MARPaltunnel Wrists
Posts: 514
Joined: Sun Dec 12, 2010 10:00 am
Location: Italy

It's easier to call this "snpb - random"

Post by giro-X » Sun Nov 11, 2018 4:44 pm

Sorry if this doesn't sound professional like I did everytime in the past, and that is, a topic for every single recording, but...
they keep coming.
I hope it doesn't happen, but, I'm confident there will be more posts from me for this topic in the future.

This week, Iron Horse.
http://replay.marpirc.net/r/ironhors

According to mameinfo.dat, in mame 0.190 Iron Horse version K was added, and previous ironhors was renamed to ironhorsh.
So, his score http://replay.marpirc.net/inp/b/e/e/snp ... olf103.zip should also go there.

User avatar
giro-X
MARPaltunnel Wrists
MARPaltunnel Wrists
Posts: 514
Joined: Sun Dec 12, 2010 10:00 am
Location: Italy

Re: It's easier to call this "snpb - random"

Post by giro-X » Tue Nov 13, 2018 5:12 pm

I told you, I saw it coming.

Last Mission (US revision 8 )
http://replay.marpirc.net/r/lastmisn
As read here:
viewtopic.php?f=9&t=16225#p65473
this was added with mame 0.198 hence saulon's score http://replay.marpirc.net/inp/f/3/f/snp ... olf103.zip should be moved to lastmisnu6

User avatar
giro-X
MARPaltunnel Wrists
MARPaltunnel Wrists
Posts: 514
Joined: Sun Dec 12, 2010 10:00 am
Location: Italy

Re: It's easier to call this "snpb - random"

Post by giro-X » Thu Nov 22, 2018 11:51 am

Part three.

WEC Le Mans 24 (v2.01)
http://replay.marpirc.net/r/wecleman

According to mameinfo.dat on 0.202 wecleman was renamed to weclemana
hence this replay by saulon http://replay.marpirc.net/inp/1/a/4/snp ... olf103.zip should be moved there.

Slightly off topic note:
WEC Le Mans 24 (v1.26) [weclemanc] is missing from "clones" in MARP even though a leaderboard for this clone exists and has a top score; when viewing wecleman, page says there are 2 clones instead of 3.

User avatar
simpsons99
MARP Seer
MARP Seer
Posts: 727
Joined: Mon May 16, 2011 3:23 am
Location: Snohomish Washington
Contact:

Re: It's easier to call this "snpb - random"

Post by simpsons99 » Sun Nov 25, 2018 4:10 pm

was there a rom name change since wolf 103?
If you have a FB Account I'm Brian Allen
On KLOV and other sites I'm Simpsons99
Arcade Game Scores
DKJR 1,073,800 Level F Kill screen !
DK3 TG MED Skill Level 1,365,000 Level 80?

User avatar
simpsons99
MARP Seer
MARP Seer
Posts: 727
Joined: Mon May 16, 2011 3:23 am
Location: Snohomish Washington
Contact:

Re: It's easier to call this "snpb - random"

Post by simpsons99 » Sun Nov 25, 2018 5:48 pm

was there a rom name change since wolf 103?
If you have a FB Account I'm Brian Allen
On KLOV and other sites I'm Simpsons99
Arcade Game Scores
DKJR 1,073,800 Level F Kill screen !
DK3 TG MED Skill Level 1,365,000 Level 80?

User avatar
giro-X
MARPaltunnel Wrists
MARPaltunnel Wrists
Posts: 514
Joined: Sun Dec 12, 2010 10:00 am
Location: Italy

Re: It's easier to call this "snpb - random"

Post by giro-X » Sun Nov 25, 2018 9:14 pm

simpsons99 wrote:
Sun Nov 25, 2018 5:48 pm
was there a rom name change since wolf 103?
Since mame 0.103 (exactly A HUNDRED versions ago!) tons of romsets were renamed and added. Just imagine how many mistakes saulonpb has done for all this time with so many (useless) uploads, I limited myself to check/report only those cases where he managed to place himself first with a "first try" replay. It's impossible. No functional/allowed game would have been left empty since ten years, only new versions recently dumped and added to MAME that became the new parent romset for any reason.

User avatar
mahlemiut
Editor
Posts: 4128
Joined: Mon Feb 04, 2002 10:05 pm
Location: New Zealand
Contact:

Re: It's easier to call this "snpb - random"

Post by mahlemiut » Sun Nov 25, 2018 11:35 pm

Moved these three uploads to their rightful place.

[Extra note: 0.103 was released almost 13 years ago. It's more than a little out of date.]
- Barry Rodewald
MARP Assistant Web Maintainer
Image

User avatar
Phil Lamat
Regulation Coordinator
Posts: 1999
Joined: Wed Mar 06, 2002 9:19 am

Re: It's easier to call this "snpb - random"

Post by Phil Lamat » Mon Dec 03, 2018 2:15 pm

And special rules added for new parents, just in case.

Haze
MARP Knight
MARP Knight
Posts: 349
Joined: Sat Mar 23, 2002 5:04 pm

Re: It's easier to call this "snpb - random"

Post by Haze » Sat Dec 08, 2018 8:22 am

honestly don't see why you accept 13 year old versions, there are so many potential expolits, bugs etc. in such versions simply using them raises suspicion, also accepting such a wide spread just means more work for anybody verifying before you even consider trying to remember all the set renames fro 13 years ago.

sure, newer versions have higher requirements, but PC hardware has plateaued to the point where there's not a HUGE performance gap between something from 5 years ago and something today, even in poorer places it isn't difficult to get a capable machine.

putting the limit at 12 versions back would keep replays to a version within the last year, which is more manageable, and more trustworthy.

User avatar
Weehawk
MARPaholic
MARPaholic
Posts: 2481
Joined: Wed Jun 25, 2003 7:43 am
Location: Devil's Canyon
Contact:

Re: It's easier to call this "snpb - random"

Post by Weehawk » Sat Dec 08, 2018 8:49 am

Haze wrote:
Sat Dec 08, 2018 8:22 am
...trying to remember all the set renames fro 13 years ago.
Not commenting on MARP policy here, but this problem has occurred to me lately as well. After 20 years of MAME/MARP, with all the ROMset family reorganizations, there's no way to even know whether you're playing the right game if you can use any MAME version.

Does anybody know if there's a good reference available anywhere documenting the history of such changes? MAWS used to have such information but it's been gone for many years.
John Cunningham (JTC)
Image

User avatar
giro-X
MARPaltunnel Wrists
MARPaltunnel Wrists
Posts: 514
Joined: Sun Dec 12, 2010 10:00 am
Location: Italy

Re: It's easier to call this "snpb - random"

Post by giro-X » Sat Dec 08, 2018 9:01 am

Weehawk wrote:
Sat Dec 08, 2018 8:49 am
Does anybody know if there's a good reference available anywhere documenting the history of such changes?
... mameinfo.dat?
You download and set it up, open MAME, select the game of interest, and read its history. In a few seconds you know if romsets have been renamed and when, but also if CPU speed/refresh rate changed, bugs have been fixed, 8-way controls changed to 4-way etc.

This is what I use when I suspect a replay doesn't belong to the proper leaderboard.

User avatar
Phil Lamat
Regulation Coordinator
Posts: 1999
Joined: Wed Mar 06, 2002 9:19 am

Re: It's easier to call this "snpb - random"

Post by Phil Lamat » Sat Dec 08, 2018 7:56 pm

Txt file in zip below :
all Mame renames till 0.204
Attachments
AllMameRenames.zip
(54.04 KiB) Downloaded 7 times

User avatar
giro-X
MARPaltunnel Wrists
MARPaltunnel Wrists
Posts: 514
Joined: Sun Dec 12, 2010 10:00 am
Location: Italy

Re: It's easier to call this "snpb - random"

Post by giro-X » Sun Dec 16, 2018 8:07 pm

mahlemiut wrote:
Sun Nov 25, 2018 11:35 pm
Moved these three uploads to their rightful place.
Didn't thank you yet for this, so thanks Barry.

Here's a new one, Toki no Senshi - Chrono Soldier.
http://replay.marpirc.net/r/tokisens
http://replay.marpirc.net/r/tokisensa
http://replay.marpirc.net/inp/3/0/a/snp ... olf177.zip

I didn't check the replay yet, but it's claimed as wolf177 and current tokisens has been added in mame 0.202. The prior tokisens is claimed to be either a different or hacked version, and was moved to tokisensa (prototype?).
So the replay should go there as well. tokisensa is not marked as clone of tokisens in MARP.

Post Reply