Golden Axe : time to debate about scoring on Marp

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Golden Axe : time to debate about scoring on Marp

Post by Phil Lamat » Sun Sep 28, 2008 6:07 pm

Before eventually lauching a poll, we can debate there about these 2 points :

1- as there are several clones, do we stand the "no magic" rule as definitive for goldnaxj (and only for this one) ? (would be cool for editors to keep things like that, and it makes the game playable in a slight different way imo)

2- for other clones, do we apply hensachi/strenght scoring to all goldnaxe & clones ? or some with hensachi & some with points ?

Opinions please ...
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Re: Golden Axe : time to debate about scoring on Marp

Post by Zhorik » Sun Sep 28, 2008 6:14 pm

My preference would be to keep goldnaxj using the K7 scoring/rules - Hensachi and no magic. This would require zeroing two existing pre-K7 scores (Alenko and Ace13), and MJS wouldn't be able to revert to his old 1st place score.

On other versions I'd go with allowing magic, but switch to Hensachi*10 as the score rather than the existing Score*10. The game uses Hensachi when it displays the "top score" during attract mode.

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Re: Golden Axe : time to debate about scoring on Marp

Post by MJS » Sun Sep 28, 2008 6:28 pm

Agreed on leaving goldnaxj with special rules as K7.
And I vote for using hensachi x 10 as the score for the other romsets (magic allowed).

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Re: Golden Axe : time to debate about scoring on Marp

Post by The_Pro » Sun Sep 28, 2008 6:49 pm

Agreed on both points.
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Re: Golden Axe : time to debate about scoring on Marp

Post by BeeJay » Sun Sep 28, 2008 9:56 pm

Not that I'm ever likely to play this game again, let alone any clones, it would make sense to leave this version under the rules that most of the existing scores were played.

As regards using the same scoring mode on the other clones, I possibly don't know enough about the scoring in this game to comment but based on George's comments if the game bases the top score on strength rather than points then that seems the more logical value to use for the MARP scoring.

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Re: Golden Axe : time to debate about scoring on Marp

Post by RAX » Mon Sep 29, 2008 4:40 am

I'd like all the parent+clones' rules change to hensachi*10
About the no-magic thing, we could split the goldnaxj romset only to magic/nomagic. The odd thing is that, doing this, a player could be first in two differents romsets with the exact same inp. Not good.
Perhaps the best action is to fix goldnaxj to K7's no-magic and leave all the other romsets to magic-allowed. So I quote MJS

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Re: Golden Axe : time to debate about scoring on Marp

Post by sawys » Mon Sep 29, 2008 5:34 am

MJS wrote:Agreed on leaving goldnaxj with special rules as K7.
And I vote for using hensachi x 10 as the score for the other romsets (magic allowed).
Agree :-)
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Re: Golden Axe : time to debate about scoring on Marp

Post by GHEMANT » Mon Sep 29, 2008 6:21 am

my vote:

HENSACHI x 10 for all golden axe romset.

If you want, is possible open a 2 classifies for goldnaxj romset:

1. HENSACHI with magic allowed.
2. HENSACHI with NO MAGIC
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Re: Golden Axe : time to debate about scoring on Marp

Post by destructor » Mon Sep 29, 2008 6:24 am

sawys wrote:
MJS wrote:Agreed on leaving goldnaxj with special rules as K7.
And I vote for using hensachi x 10 as the score for the other romsets (magic allowed).
Agree :-)
Agree.

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Re: Golden Axe : time to debate about scoring on Marp

Post by Phil Lamat » Tue Sep 30, 2008 11:22 am

Well, no one against, it looks like a plebiscite for hensachi/strength x10.
I think we don't even need a poll there (Matt ?).

If everybody is ok, I'm ready to do the changes, but I will need some help (lot of inputs).
Thanks to all to help there, here all the inputs to view to know the strength :

goldnax1 (Golden Axe (set 1, World, FD1094 317-0110)) #1st : 5305 MJSTY (100%)
goldnax1 (Golden Axe (set 1, World, FD1094 317-0110)) #2nd : 2330 Alenko CROATIA (37%)
goldnax1 (Golden Axe (set 1, World, FD1094 317-0110)) #3rd : 1660 Ace13 (23%)

goldnax2 (Golden Axe (set 2, US, 8751 317-0112)) #1st : 4690 zfz@Team2ch (100%)
goldnax2 (Golden Axe (set 2, US, 8751 317-0112)) #2nd : 2955 Luja (54%)
goldnax2 (Golden Axe (set 2, US, 8751 317-0112)) #3rd : 2675 Alenko CROATIA (41%)
goldnax2 (Golden Axe (set 2, US, 8751 317-0112)) #4th : 2480 Giovanni "Gby "Solinas (32%)
goldnax2 (Golden Axe (set 2, US, 8751 317-0112)) #5th : 2270 MGM from Brazil (25%)
goldnax2 (Golden Axe (set 2, US, 8751 317-0112)) #5th : 2270 Potante (25%)
goldnax2 (Golden Axe (set 2, US, 8751 317-0112)) #7th : 2240 INNUENDO (18%)
goldnax2 (Golden Axe (set 2, US, 8751 317-0112)) #8th : 2150 borjaquake (15%)
goldnax2 (Golden Axe (set 2, US, 8751 317-0112)) #9th : 2070 Kyo_99 (12%)
goldnax2 (Golden Axe (set 2, US, 8751 317-0112)) #10th : 1945 Ray Atkinson (10%)
goldnax2 (Golden Axe (set 2, US, 8751 317-0112)) #11th : 1910 Jason Dyer (8%)
goldnax2 (Golden Axe (set 2, US, 8751 317-0112)) #12th : 1890 Andy Hofle (7%)
goldnax2 (Golden Axe (set 2, US, 8751 317-0112)) #13th : 1640 Sandman (5%)
goldnax2 (Golden Axe (set 2, US, 8751 317-0112)) #14th : 1590 Aquatarkus (4%)
goldnax2 (Golden Axe (set 2, US, 8751 317-0112)) #15th : 1230 A.D. SAKURAGI (3%)
goldnax2 (Golden Axe (set 2, US, 8751 317-0112)) #16th : 1095 mickey@jvrm.net (2%)
goldnax2 (Golden Axe (set 2, US, 8751 317-0112)) #17th : 1035 The late Mr. Vaz (2%)
goldnax2 (Golden Axe (set 2, US, 8751 317-0112)) #18th : 1010 ^Cronos^ (1%)
goldnax2 (Golden Axe (set 2, US, 8751 317-0112)) #19th : 990 Frankie (1%)
goldnax2 (Golden Axe (set 2, US, 8751 317-0112)) #20th : 835 Octavian (1%)
goldnax2 (Golden Axe (set 2, US, 8751 317-0112)) #21st : 815 Dave Kaupp (1%)
goldnax2 (Golden Axe (set 2, US, 8751 317-0112)) #22nd : 805 Gundarf@jvrm.net (1%)
goldnax2 (Golden Axe (set 2, US, 8751 317-0112)) #23rd : 530 GoldCrisp (0%)
goldnax2 (Golden Axe (set 2, US, 8751 317-0112)) #24th : 305 omni0 (0%)

goldnax3 (Golden Axe (set 3, World, FD1094 317-0120)) #1st : 5345 MJSTY (100%)
goldnax3 (Golden Axe (set 3, World, FD1094 317-0120)) #2nd : 2275 Alenko CROATIA (36%)
goldnax3 (Golden Axe (set 3, World, FD1094 317-0120)) #3rd : 2120 NotMan (29%)
goldnax3 (Golden Axe (set 3, World, FD1094 317-0120)) #4th : 1400 Ace13 (16%)

goldnaxe (Golden Axe (set 6, US, 8751 317-123A)) #1st : 4410 MJSTY (100%)
goldnaxe (Golden Axe (set 6, US, 8751 317-123A)) #2nd : 3320 GUGA (64%)
goldnaxe (Golden Axe (set 6, US, 8751 317-123A)) #3rd : 2930 Luja (48%)
goldnaxe (Golden Axe (set 6, US, 8751 317-123A)) #4th : 2795 INNUENDO (39%)
goldnaxe (Golden Axe (set 6, US, 8751 317-123A)) #5th : 2530 Giovanni "Gby "Solinas (30%)
goldnaxe (Golden Axe (set 6, US, 8751 317-123A)) #6th : 2360 Alenko CROATIA (24%)
goldnaxe (Golden Axe (set 6, US, 8751 317-123A)) #7th : 2300 MGM from Brazil (20%)
goldnaxe (Golden Axe (set 6, US, 8751 317-123A)) #8th : 2120 Andy Hofle (15%)
goldnaxe (Golden Axe (set 6, US, 8751 317-123A)) #9th : 1750 FOXMULDER (11%)
goldnaxe (Golden Axe (set 6, US, 8751 317-123A)) #10th : 1135 ^Cronos^ (6%)
goldnaxe (Golden Axe (set 6, US, 8751 317-123A)) #11th : 1060 storm (5%)
goldnaxe (Golden Axe (set 6, US, 8751 317-123A)) #12th : 970 Dave Kaupp (4%)
goldnaxe (Golden Axe (set 6, US, 8751 317-123A)) #13th : 855 Frankie (3%)
goldnaxe (Golden Axe (set 6, US, 8751 317-123A)) #14th : 625 zarouk@jvrm.net (2%)
goldnaxe (Golden Axe (set 6, US, 8751 317-123A)) #15th : 120 GameGuru (0%)
goldnaxe (Golden Axe (set 6, US, 8751 317-123A)) #16th : 0 Ray Atkinson (0%)

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Re: Golden Axe : time to debate about scoring on Marp

Post by GHEMANT » Tue Sep 30, 2008 12:41 pm

goldnax2 (Golden Axe (set 2, US, 8751 317-0112)) #1st : 4690 zfz@Team2ch (100%) --->HENSACHI: 4990

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Re: Golden Axe : time to debate about scoring on Marp

Post by Phil Lamat » Thu Oct 09, 2008 6:55 pm

Phew !! All done ; let me know if there is any mistake...

To be complete, note that the 4 pre-k7 inputs on goldnaxj has disappeared because use of magic.
Mjsty & Potante have replaced themselves for k7 with "no magic" inputs.
Ace13 won't be too upset (he has only a 111.0 strength).
Alenko had some finished stuff, so we will keep the trace here :
1- http://marp.retrogames.com/inp/4/2/e/v6 ... wolf98.zip
[points = 270.5, hensachi = 165.3]

2- http://marp.retrogames.com/inp/9/5/3/v6 ... wolf98.zip
[points = 261.0, hensachi = 293.0]

3- http://marp.retrogames.com/inp/8/5/2/v6 ... wolf98.zip
[points = 240.0, hensachi = 270.0]

4- http://marp.retrogames.com/inp/9/3/4/v6 ... wolf98.zip
[points = 225.0, hensachi = 142.5]

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Re: Golden Axe : time to debate about scoring on Marp

Post by _Zaphod_ » Sun Jan 12, 2014 4:30 am

BTW, it has been determined that the theoretical max strength with full magic abuse on Golden Axe is 610.0

Once someone reaches this, the game can be archived, as this is unbeatable. TO date no one has pulled it off yet.

Without magic, the score limit is much lower, and can be obtained by knocking every eneme possible into a pit on the death blow.

I can see three possible tracks for Golden Axe.

1) maximum strength, all tricks allowed. 6100 is max marp scoring in theory.
2) maximum strength, no magic (this may in fact already be in need of archiving)
3) fastest completion. this emphasizes high damage moves and knocking enemies off the edges.

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Re: Golden Axe : time to debate about scoring on Marp

Post by GHEMANT » Tue Jan 14, 2014 5:42 am

_Zaphod_ wrote:BTW, it has been determined that the theoretical max strength with full magic abuse on Golden Axe is 610.0

Once someone reaches this, the game can be archived, as this is unbeatable. TO date no one has pulled it off yet.

Without magic, the score limit is much lower, and can be obtained by knocking every eneme possible into a pit on the death blow.

I can see three possible tracks for Golden Axe.

1) maximum strength, all tricks allowed. 6100 is max marp scoring in theory.
2) maximum strength, no magic (this may in fact already be in need of archiving)
3) fastest completion. this emphasizes high damage moves and knocking enemies off the edges.
Sorry but your informations are not correct.

Max score possible is 660.5 pts.
Actual WR is 618.5 (already better of your theoretical 610)

ALL infos are available here: http://www.arcade-extreme.com/download. ... axe_hq.pdf

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