Fax - Unsplit, ban the pause (use Tg version or whatever)
OFF THE WALL : Don4t ban
TNZS, ROBOCOP : ban the games.
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German Krol
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Matthew Neja
FAX - Ban the game. Too many players already know the answers.
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Off the Wall - Ban the game.
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Robocop - Keep. I have a couple of reasons for this one.
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1) Even though it is point leeching, you really don't get anything
out of it except a nice hi score.
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2) The game is timed so you can't stay leeching forever.
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3) You don't get anything special out of it. The are no extra lives
given. You only have 1 life. That's it. You die, game over.
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If your gonna ban this technique, the maybe consider banning another
technique from Robocop. On the last stage, at the very end of the
game, You can kill the giant robot (forgot the name of it) with 1
shot with the laser. All you need to do is Have 1 shot left with the
laser, then when the robot comes out, jump up and shoot it and keep
firing at it. It;s health will drain like water going down a drain
pipe.
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New Zealand Story - Ban the technique. Gives you too much advantage.
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Off the Wall - Ban the game.
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Robocop - Keep. I have a couple of reasons for this one.
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1) Even though it is point leeching, you really don't get anything
out of it except a nice hi score.
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2) The game is timed so you can't stay leeching forever.
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3) You don't get anything special out of it. The are no extra lives
given. You only have 1 life. That's it. You die, game over.
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If your gonna ban this technique, the maybe consider banning another
technique from Robocop. On the last stage, at the very end of the
game, You can kill the giant robot (forgot the name of it) with 1
shot with the laser. All you need to do is Have 1 shot left with the
laser, then when the robot comes out, jump up and shoot it and keep
firing at it. It;s health will drain like water going down a drain
pipe.
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New Zealand Story - Ban the technique. Gives you too much advantage.
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stephen krogman
Here are my votes.
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1) Fax: Ban. Only because too many players take advantage of using
the pause key which caused too much contreversy on other games where
it should be ok to use.
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2) Off the Wall: Do not ban. If this is the Arkanoid type game
with the paddles on the side of the screen instead of on the bottom,
this game should not be banned, I have no reason to think it's 'just
too easy' (then again, I could be talking about the wrong game).
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3) Robocopp: DO NOT BAN. My reason is very well explained by
another player who I cannot remember at the moment. The trick does
not put you "in harms way" like a game like points leaching on
Contra. All it does is just boost up the total score by the ending
which is nice to see a much higher score for some. Walter Day told
me back some time ago, he said, "If there is a trick in a game that
EVERYONE has access to and does NOT put you in harms way, (contra, NZ
Story, or a trick to give you unlimited men, ect) then it is ok to
use it".
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4) New Zealand Story: Ban it. I know nothing about this game, but
from what I've read about it, it's no different then what you can do
in Contra. Ban it.
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Regards,
Steve Krogman
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skrogman@bellsouth.net
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1) Fax: Ban. Only because too many players take advantage of using
the pause key which caused too much contreversy on other games where
it should be ok to use.
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2) Off the Wall: Do not ban. If this is the Arkanoid type game
with the paddles on the side of the screen instead of on the bottom,
this game should not be banned, I have no reason to think it's 'just
too easy' (then again, I could be talking about the wrong game).
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3) Robocopp: DO NOT BAN. My reason is very well explained by
another player who I cannot remember at the moment. The trick does
not put you "in harms way" like a game like points leaching on
Contra. All it does is just boost up the total score by the ending
which is nice to see a much higher score for some. Walter Day told
me back some time ago, he said, "If there is a trick in a game that
EVERYONE has access to and does NOT put you in harms way, (contra, NZ
Story, or a trick to give you unlimited men, ect) then it is ok to
use it".
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4) New Zealand Story: Ban it. I know nothing about this game, but
from what I've read about it, it's no different then what you can do
in Contra. Ban it.
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Regards,
Steve Krogman
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Chad
Fax : Ban
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Off the Walls : yeah krog, i thought it was the arkanoid game too but
it's not, it's a game not unlike "spiker" which has the same pong
like play ability, easy to get a perfect game. I say ban it because
the only reason people play it is to get 100 pts, not to show off
their great game play.
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TNZS : Ban technique
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Robocop : Ban technique, finding bugs isn't gameplay
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When recordings are "banned" we should keep recordings but just zero
out leaderboard totals, because they are usefull to know for judges
and for historic purposes.
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Off the Walls : yeah krog, i thought it was the arkanoid game too but
it's not, it's a game not unlike "spiker" which has the same pong
like play ability, easy to get a perfect game. I say ban it because
the only reason people play it is to get 100 pts, not to show off
their great game play.
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TNZS : Ban technique
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Robocop : Ban technique, finding bugs isn't gameplay
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When recordings are "banned" we should keep recordings but just zero
out leaderboard totals, because they are usefull to know for judges
and for historic purposes.
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Tommi
Robocop: If this technique damages gameplay, it should be banned.
Since there is a timer, KEEP the TECHNIQUE. And furthermore if TG-
scores are made using that, we should be able to compete with those
scores. Has not anyone used "to the last second" -technique on
Ghouls'n'Ghosts at T3?
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I haven't played those other games(and couldn't care less of
leaderboard points)so that's all.
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ps. checkout at mamenavi.com ninjakid2 recording. The game is played
to the very end, allthough with zillion men but anyway.
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tiihoto@hotmail.com
Since there is a timer, KEEP the TECHNIQUE. And furthermore if TG-
scores are made using that, we should be able to compete with those
scores. Has not anyone used "to the last second" -technique on
Ghouls'n'Ghosts at T3?
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I haven't played those other games(and couldn't care less of
leaderboard points)so that's all.
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ps. checkout at mamenavi.com ninjakid2 recording. The game is played
to the very end, allthough with zillion men but anyway.
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Pat
FAX: Keep (require Tournament MAME, all quiz games should have this);
Off the Wall: Keep (require PRO, posted score = player - computer);
Robocop & TNZS: Ban technique for both games--player is not advancing
through level and realizes material gains at no risk, points and man
respectively)
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laffaye@ibm.net
Off the Wall: Keep (require PRO, posted score = player - computer);
Robocop & TNZS: Ban technique for both games--player is not advancing
through level and realizes material gains at no risk, points and man
respectively)
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Dean Ryan
Fax: Ban it - it's crap 
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Off the Wall - require player-cpu score
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Robocop: only ban it because it took Alex ages to find it
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TNZS: ban it: that's leeching at its worst!
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Crash.
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crash@tcp.co.uk
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Off the Wall - require player-cpu score
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Robocop: only ban it because it took Alex ages to find it
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TNZS: ban it: that's leeching at its worst!
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Crash.
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Q.T.Quazar
My apologies. Due to new information from Steve Krogman and Alex Weir,
Robocop will be pulled from the vote. Robocop is a timed game, with no
bonus lives, and therefore the leeching is permissible, as time WILL
continue to run down. I misrepresented the game for the vote. Again,
sorry, and results about the other three questionables will be posted
tomorrow.
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Robocop will be pulled from the vote. Robocop is a timed game, with no
bonus lives, and therefore the leeching is permissible, as time WILL
continue to run down. I misrepresented the game for the vote. Again,
sorry, and results about the other three questionables will be posted
tomorrow.
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Q.T.Quazar
OK, voting is finished (results were not posted because I wa shaving
connection problems before last night) Here is the status:
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Fax: Banned (Approx. 2/3 were for banning) Reason: Question order does
not change seems to be the reason for those wanting to ban, and TG
will not solve this (it particularly won't solve it because people can
slow down their systems before questions if they know the answers)
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Otwalls: Modified (Approx 1/2 were for banning) Modification: Game
must now be played at hardest difficulty, with your score minus
opponent's score as the score for submission. If this does not resolve
the current deadlock, the game will become banned.
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Robocop: Removed from the vote due to new information.
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TNZS: (unanimous for banning) Technique is banned. Leeching is
permissible at any leech point during one life only.
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Thanks to everyone for coming out. I'll update the banned techniques
page soon!
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Q.T.Quazar
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qan@home.com
connection problems before last night) Here is the status:
<p>
Fax: Banned (Approx. 2/3 were for banning) Reason: Question order does
not change seems to be the reason for those wanting to ban, and TG
will not solve this (it particularly won't solve it because people can
slow down their systems before questions if they know the answers)
<p>
Otwalls: Modified (Approx 1/2 were for banning) Modification: Game
must now be played at hardest difficulty, with your score minus
opponent's score as the score for submission. If this does not resolve
the current deadlock, the game will become banned.
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Robocop: Removed from the vote due to new information.
<p>
TNZS: (unanimous for banning) Technique is banned. Leeching is
permissible at any leech point during one life only.
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<p>
Thanks to everyone for coming out. I'll update the banned techniques
page soon!
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Q.T.Quazar
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qan@home.com
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Alex Weir
Q.T,
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You may wanna correct the last bit, i.e "Leeching is permissible at
any leech point during one life only. "
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With the technique I showed you , it`s possible to leech indefinitely
on one man. The only way you`ll die is by pure carelessness.
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As this technique is basically going around in a 'loop', a player
should only be allowed use this 'loop' ONCE PER GAME.
I think you`ll ( and others ) will agree ?
<p>
ALEX
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alexweir@indigo.ie
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You may wanna correct the last bit, i.e "Leeching is permissible at
any leech point during one life only. "
<p>
With the technique I showed you , it`s possible to leech indefinitely
on one man. The only way you`ll die is by pure carelessness.
<p>
As this technique is basically going around in a 'loop', a player
should only be allowed use this 'loop' ONCE PER GAME.
I think you`ll ( and others ) will agree ?
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ALEX
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