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Posted: Tue Sep 19, 2000 12:30 pm
by QRS
My intention is not to show off in a game like smb.. Come on folks!
we all know that smb is an easy game! I think mostly of the marpers
have cleared smb... My point is that i really feels wierd to play the
game, and sometimes run throught the stages just to get another 20k
cause you only have 10 "tick time" left.. AND you have 200 in the
ordinary time and 5 lives left... THAT4S my point..!
And the leeching in smb is not allowed anyway (I hope) so there will
be no way to max out the score..

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But of course i will follow the rules that QT points out.
And the game is kind of fun to play in 300 time also :)

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Regards

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QRS

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Posted: Tue Sep 19, 2000 12:30 pm
by Q.T.Quazar
Very well Tommi. You seem to be impervious to both logic and
rationale, so let me make the following quite clear:

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1) I can and do have the right to cancel votes at MARP, if I feel they
are either biased or in contradiction with MARP Rules. The exception,
is, of course, when a MARP Rule is subjected to vote. In any case, the
person polling the vote should have been involved in the debate over
the subject. All 6 players who voted for the #2 were part of the
debate, and have contacted me personally. GUess who didn't, and who
seems to be completely ignorant of the reasons why we didn't call a
vote in the first place.

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2) Your vote can continue.

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3) The results will not be ratified, in any way shape or form, and
will not be enforced by the Editors. Nor will the Editors involve
themselves in the vote.

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4) Support for unlimited time by inserting quarters in pc_10 games is
at maybe 30% of the active voice of the community. For dip changes it
is around 80-90%. I think you can do the math.

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Furthermore, let me thank you personally for forcing me to put down
the heavy hand in this situation. Everybody else was okay with waiting
a beta and then voting after the dips were listed. So maybe you can
explain to me, either here or in a personal e-mail, what is so
important about finishing SMB, a game that intelligent rodents and
probably some bacteria can beat without any problems.

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If you have a problem with my status either as an Editor or as the
Rules Coordinator, by all means, post on it or contact another Editor.
I am responsible and accountable to the community, and the moment I'm
not, I'm out. As such, I have been granted certain rights and been
allowed to take temporary (ie: not permanent) measures in resolving
conflict. I will not even beg the question of what MARP would
currently be like if my, or the other Editors' positions, did not
exist, although I'm sure the topic will be raised again at some point.

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MARP works under a set of guidelines that allows games to follow a
specific notion: one quarter, most skill. It has never been about
completion. It will never be about completion. It is not even always
about 'doing what the most players want.' If it were, we would very
likely have RLH still in T&F recordings. Feel like competing on that
Mr. Tiihonen? Or what about extra credits in Gauntlet? Why not? I'm
sure lots of players could sit and shoot ghosts for an hour.

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Finally, if anyone else wants to protest over this matter, with a
decent reason as to why more quarters should be allowed, let me make
the procedure crystal clear.

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1) You are challenging a rule at MARP (2a), not changing settings for
a game. As I said earlier, if you want to post a vote on those lines,
that's your right, and I will not interfere--I will participate.
Leading to 2...

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2) Contact me before posting the vote, so any inconsistencies can be
worked out. Several players did this with the PC-10 quarters issue,
and seemed satisfied to agree to wait a beta. (although now I'm
wondering)

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3) You must have a reason for the challenge. I would hope this would
seem obvious, but either Tommi has not been reading BBH's posts or has
just been ignoring the question.

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Again, this is more than I wanted to say on this topic, but I don't
want it to seem like I'm making decisions out of thin air. Which is
what you seem to be doing, Mr. Tiihonen. Please, for the sake of
everyone involved in this argument, take some time and get informed.

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Q.T.Quazar, MARP Rules Coordinator

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Posted: Thu Sep 21, 2000 12:30 pm
by Q.T.Quazar
>QT, I deny your authority to cancel this vote. So, THIS VOTING
CONTINUES STILL.

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I'm sorry, Tommi, but I can and do have the right where votes affect
the rules. And your vote is in direct conflict with 2a)

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These are not personal attacks. It is quite clear you had not read the
posts on the issue before posting your thread.

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If you are dissatisfied with the outcome of this argument, let me
suggest a few possible courses of action:

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1) Suggest suspension of rule 2a) this would apply to more than just
pc_10 games, but also games where players felt an exception was
justified. We could then vote on that.

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2) Create a vote to remove me from the post of Rules Coordinator.

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3) Step off your soapbox and agree to play fair like the others.

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Thank-you to the other MARPers who have not posted to this thread
after my block. I appreciate your support in this matter. And I'll
reaffirm my promise we will do what we can when the dips are
announced.

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Please note that if you choose to upload your scores according to your
own rules, Tommi, you will be violating the rigths of other players at
MARP, and your scores will be readjusted.

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Sincerely,

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Q.T.Quazar, MARP Rules Coordinator

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qan@home.com

Posted: Fri Sep 22, 2000 12:30 pm
by "Mr Tiihonen"
QT, I think you are blindly staring at the rules, that were not made
for this particular case. It's only matter of words and what they
really mean. Playchoice credit is not conventional "one player
credit", it should be called ticktime, and ignored completely. The
real credit being one game, ie pushing "2" at keyboard. That's why I
don't see this vote fighting with rule 2a("Only one credit per game
shall be permitted").

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Well, the deadline is over anyway now, thank you for voting.
Result being:

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option 1(timelimit 300) 3 votes (or 4, if you count QT in)

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option 2(no timelimits) 6 votes

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So the players have decided that Playchoice 10 games have no
timelimit.

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Because of the controversy that arised(for which I'm sorry, it wasn't
my intention), I'll hold my inps a couple of days untill Monday,
because of GB9's IRC meeting.

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Now I'm going to have couple of beers and shoot some Pool :), cheers
Tommi

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