Roc'n Rope - leeching?

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Roc'n Rope - leeching?

Post by Weehawk » Tue Mar 09, 2004 4:46 pm

This was brought up in the Playbackability Forum:

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Weehawk wrote:There is a spot on that level where you can stun a bunch of enemies in one spot and then grab the energizer to kill them. You have to die to repeat it, but since you get enough points to earn an extra life it could go on forever.

In all fairness to Sampras it actually looks like he's trying to finish the level each time after doing it, but doesn't.

If we wanted to continue competition on this game in a more traditional fashion, we could probably just set the dip switch to not grant the "repeat bonus".
It's not as clear cut as one might think. There's certainly nothing wrong with getting as many enemies as possible before proceeding...and of course if you happen to die before the level ends and start over, you'd do it again. But to do it deliberately over and over infinitely would constitute leeching in violation of Rule 2 and, in my opinion, spoil competition on the game. Who is to say what is deliberate?

I would lean toward requiring that the dip switch be set to not grant the "repeat bonus", meaning you'd get one extra life, and then no more - and letting the player do as he chooses with his limited men.

Discussion please.

I will email the players with the top two scores (who racked up lots of points doing this) on the game and invite them to participate.
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Post by QRS » Tue Mar 09, 2004 5:12 pm

Yeah... I remember this leeching issue was hot when we played in k2.. We never really made anything about it though.

Weehawks´s suggestion seems fine to me.
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Post by DaviL » Sat Mar 13, 2004 11:36 am

I think dip switch set to not grant the repeat bonus will solve all problem.

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Post by destructor » Sat Mar 13, 2004 2:08 pm

DaviL wrote:I think dip switch set to not grant the repeat bonus will solve all problem.
Yes. Change dispwitches solve problem (again :) )

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Post by Weehawk » Sun Mar 21, 2004 6:36 am

My email to Karol bounced.

I am repeating my email to Sampras.

I would very much like for them to have a chance to respond before settling this.

Otherwise, if there is no dissenting opinion soon we will implement the suggested Special Rule.
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Post by destructor » Sun Mar 21, 2004 7:59 am

Karol computer burn up year ago. He don't have internet at home. If you want to contact with Karol then you must contact with me or better with asn007 (he lives in the same city and often meet with Karol. About 2 week ago asn with Karol buy new computer for Karol :wink: ).

PS. Karol english=0 :?

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Post by lippsman » Sun Apr 11, 2004 3:05 pm

So has this been resolved yet? Will the special rule be put in place.

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Post by bub_bob » Sun Apr 11, 2004 5:11 pm

yes, set that rule. I think leeching is somthing to show off in the tips and tricks section not regular competition.
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I just loive formula one comparrisons that´s like thie big desatster when baricello close to the finishing line let schumacher overtake and win the grand prix. :twisted:

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Post by DaviL » Fri Apr 16, 2004 7:08 pm

Still no decision.
However I try the game with no repeat bonus. See in upload section.

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Post by Weehawk » Fri Apr 16, 2004 7:16 pm

DaviL wrote:Still no decision.
However I try the game with no repeat bonus. See in upload section.
Seeing no dissenting opinion, I think we can go ahead and implement the rule.

Problem is, there is a lot of work to be done adjusting the existing scores, and I may not be able to watch all of them myself, so it may be some time.
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Post by Weehawk » Thu May 06, 2004 5:15 am

OK, here are the four man scores for all the submissions on the parent ROMset:

1 karol = 220,690
2 sampras = 157,580
3 mccorn = 173,720
4 angry = 187,100
5 davil = 222,930
6 innuendo = 129,150
7 phil = 100,950
8 timmykins = 204,600
9 alex = 165,720
10 jlr-df = 154,080
11 frankie = 148,830
12 pat garrique = 144,840
13 riccardo cable = 86,680
14 ad sakuragi = advertised 63,400

I never got the last one to play back, but even at it's advertised score it is in last place.

If an editor would be so kind as to edit the scores and put in a Special Rule requiring that the "repeat bonus" dipswitch be set off on all recordings.
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Post by Weehawk » Mon May 10, 2004 1:50 am

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Post by DaviL » Wed May 12, 2004 5:17 pm

Weehawk wrote:bump
What ?!?

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Post by Chad » Wed May 12, 2004 5:38 pm

he's just making it more noticible so people will actually edit it when they have time :)
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Post by Weehawk » Wed May 12, 2004 7:47 pm

Chad wrote:he's just making it more noticible so people will actually edit it when they have time :)
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