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Tourney autofire Question

Posted: Thu Jul 01, 1999 12:30 pm
by Chad
1. Is autofire acceptable for tourney play or not? I know i can do significantly better on 2020bb with autofire allowed to help run the bases. It's a hard thing to prove, but it looks like the high gyrus recordings use autofire (i apologize if you guys are just insanely fast and staminatious with the wrists.)
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2. Should these questions be posed to Pat directly or will pat read this thread?

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churritz@cts.com

Posted: Fri Jul 02, 1999 12:30 pm
by beejay
I can't speak for the 2nd place Gyruss score but my recording was
done using a MS Natural keyboard with no autofire. Unless I can get
my Sidewinder gamepad working better all my recordings will be made
using keyboard. I guess that means I'm insanely fast and
staminatious with my firing. ;-)

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My personal opinion is that no auto-fire should be allowed.

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BeeJay.

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bjohnstone@cardinal.co.nz

Posted: Fri Jul 02, 1999 12:30 pm
by Chad
actually for some reason i wasn't able to download the 1rst place, so
you're not necesarily fast and staminations (yet :) I don't mind
either way; it is good for the people who are developing carpel tunnel
to have autofire, and good for the people who don't to not. Just as
long as everyone is playing with the same (dis)advantages.

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churritz@cts.com

Posted: Fri Jul 02, 1999 12:30 pm
by Chris Parsley
I can guarantee you I can do a lot better in Galaga, even though it
is not my game, if I had autofire, my wrists were tired after
continuing after tapping on the CTRL (default MAME32 key for
shooting).
QUESTION: How in the heck do you make the autofire happen in MAME...

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cparsley1@hotmail.com

Posted: Fri Jul 02, 1999 12:30 pm
by ***PL***
1. Autofire is not allowed
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2. I read ALL the threads

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P.S. If anyone suspects funny stuff with autofire and wants to
challenge a recording, just bring it to my attention.

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laffaye@ibm.net

Posted: Fri Jul 02, 1999 12:30 pm
by Chad
Agreed, autofire is not allowed in all games of this tournament.
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Also note: maybe autofire should be allowed in some future games that
aren't made incredibly by allowing it. i believe autofire may
increase the number of players to enter the tournament, since a lot of
people that have played video games or have typed for decades can not
bang on a button hundreds of times per minute for hours, but they
could hold down the button a few times per minute. I think this might
be close to discrimination against people who have mangled hand
muscles. I'm sure people who don't experience any pain from excessive
typing or playing are going to say this is bullshit, but it's not.

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I think there is an internal mame feature for autofire which can be
used with the keyboard, but it may be in the development stages or in
another version of mame (kbmame); i use a decent digital joystick on
it's last leg which has an on/off autofire switches.

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churritz@cts.com

Posted: Fri Jul 02, 1999 12:30 pm
by NotMan
NotMan here! I did not use autofire on Gyruss recording! I use arcade
stick similar to Hot Rod stick cause keyboard and gamepad doesn't make
me real feel like playing the real arcade! So the recording I played
it on almost identical to the arcade that I played in past! If I used
autofire and I would have wipe out all the enemies and get super bonus
points before I reach Mars! I could've have racked up over 3 million
pts!

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Personally, I have to agree with BeeJay about banning autofire!

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NotMan

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fredh@sierra.net

Posted: Fri Jul 02, 1999 12:30 pm
by beejay
Super bonus before Mars......... is there some secret bonus feature
in Gyruss that I've never discovered in all these years of playing?

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As for CTS/RSI/OOS or whatever you want to call it. Remember that
it's not so much solely repetition of movements that causes these
problems but rather the strain of holding the fingers/hands in the
one position until you use them. Some studies have actually shown
that permanently having the muscles tensed (as holding an autofire
button down would require) can actually be worse than repeatedly
pressing the keys. (That's partly the reason they dropped the RSI
definition for this problem.)

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That said, while I do suffer the effects of OOS after long periods of
typing on the keyboard - like after an 8 hour day of programming at
work - I seldom if ever have the same problem with playing Mame and
have never had a problem when using a real arcade machine. Not even
when I played Bomb Jack for 24 hours. Unfortunately that was not on
TG settings so my 70 million does not count for the book - that and
the fact that I didn't know about TG back then so I didn't have an
independent judge available to verify the score either. :-(

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BeeJay.

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bjohnstone@cardinal.co.nz