Hi,
Following the recent thread about TGMAME and it`s legality, not to mention an ' OJ Simpson-type character ' , I now quote a response from MR. Dan Boris, who is a MAME DEV guy , and I presume a close associate of Nicola......here goes..
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"I don't think Nicola reads this board much (if at all) so I will put in my $.02 worth. In my personal opinion the message on the MARP message doesn't sound like something Nicola would write at all. If anything it's to wordy, Nicola is usually straight and to the point.
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As to whether tgmame following, it does technically violate the
it's purpose is to encrypt the INP files it would defeat this purpose if the source was released, so I can understand why it wasn't.
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It doesn't disable any features that the licence forbids disabling, and I don't see a problem with the version numbering."
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Dan
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So MARP`ers , it`s safe to assume Nicola was not responsible for the original thread. Where does that leave us ? The
'alledged ' party is a TG judge? I thought these guys were on-the-level ?
To any TG judge reading this....reconsider. The actual act of impersonating someone else ( for presumably their own benefit or whatever) is definately not in the spirt or ehthics of Twin Galaxies,
or indeed MARP, or anywhere else you care to mention.
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Thats my bit of detective work.
Can we have ( from other sleuths )) a %100 verdict on the 'suspect'?
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Thanks,
ALEX
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alexeir@indigo.ie
TGMAME + lowest of the low?
Moderator: Chad
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Chad
I have to add that more than 99% of the source IS distributed with
tgmame, I'm sure Dan didn't mean to imply the entire source isn't
released but i think he did.
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Secondly not to defend Stig, but It could also be someone trying to
frame stig. I think anyone would be smart enough to NOT type like
they normally type on the board if they were trying to impersonate
someone.... The Nicola post and Stig's later post that day are just
TOOO conveniently similar.
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churritz@cts.com
tgmame, I'm sure Dan didn't mean to imply the entire source isn't
released but i think he did.
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Secondly not to defend Stig, but It could also be someone trying to
frame stig. I think anyone would be smart enough to NOT type like
they normally type on the board if they were trying to impersonate
someone.... The Nicola post and Stig's later post that day are just
TOOO conveniently similar.
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churritz@cts.com
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Ben Jos Walbeehm
So Stig is not only a lowlife, but also a moron for not trying to
"camouflage" his words. Yes, you read it well: moron. After what Stig
said to me, I am actually being very tame. Stig was caught and he knew
it, so he just started yelling, swearing, saying incoherent things,
and quoting me, actually, in an effort to hurt my feelings.
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A LOT of people here make a lot of spelling errors and I bet they are
not aware of a considerable amount of those. So if somebody were to
impersonate someone else, they'd probably make the same spelling
errors they usually make...
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I wrote an e-mail to Philip Greenspun, who is the creator of the
(software of the) site on which this messageboard runs, and he is
fairly sure his server logs IP addresses, but he has not yet had the
time to take a look. So we can't prove it, Stig? The evidence against
you is already enormous, and we don't even need confirmation of the IP
address, but it would be nice.
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Most of Stig's "peers" on MARP will probably KNOW he's guilty
anyway. I am sorry. I'm sure nobody on MARP would like to be
considered Stig's peer. It's just too much of an insult.
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Someone trying to set up Stig? Sorry, but that's just too funny. If
you really believe that, I have some real estate I'd like to sell to
you...
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Cheers,
Ben Jos.
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walbeehm@walbeehm.com
"camouflage" his words. Yes, you read it well: moron. After what Stig
said to me, I am actually being very tame. Stig was caught and he knew
it, so he just started yelling, swearing, saying incoherent things,
and quoting me, actually, in an effort to hurt my feelings.
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A LOT of people here make a lot of spelling errors and I bet they are
not aware of a considerable amount of those. So if somebody were to
impersonate someone else, they'd probably make the same spelling
errors they usually make...
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I wrote an e-mail to Philip Greenspun, who is the creator of the
(software of the) site on which this messageboard runs, and he is
fairly sure his server logs IP addresses, but he has not yet had the
time to take a look. So we can't prove it, Stig? The evidence against
you is already enormous, and we don't even need confirmation of the IP
address, but it would be nice.
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Most of Stig's "peers" on MARP will probably KNOW he's guilty
anyway. I am sorry. I'm sure nobody on MARP would like to be
considered Stig's peer. It's just too much of an insult.
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Someone trying to set up Stig? Sorry, but that's just too funny. If
you really believe that, I have some real estate I'd like to sell to
you...
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Cheers,
Ben Jos.
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walbeehm@walbeehm.com
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Ron Corcoran
As a TG Editor and Judge for over 3.5 years, I can tell you this, NO
true TG judge would attempt crap like this. Walter woul never stand
for something like this... Nor would I for that matter... If ever
in doubt on who is an "official" TG Editor/Judge/Referee, please
refer to this page on the main Twin Galaxies site...
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http://www.twingalaxies.com/listofreferees.html
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This list is maintained by Walter directly so there will never be a
question on who is legit...
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Now, as for what to do with Stig... As I am not a "regular" here, I
will offer no input as I don't feel I have the right to do so.
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Hope this proves useful.
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Ron Corcoran
Twin Galaxies Mame Deca2000 Coordinator
Twin Galaxies Atari & Commodore Worldwide Editor
http://www.snipercade.com
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sniper75@mindspring.com
true TG judge would attempt crap like this. Walter woul never stand
for something like this... Nor would I for that matter... If ever
in doubt on who is an "official" TG Editor/Judge/Referee, please
refer to this page on the main Twin Galaxies site...
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http://www.twingalaxies.com/listofreferees.html
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This list is maintained by Walter directly so there will never be a
question on who is legit...
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Now, as for what to do with Stig... As I am not a "regular" here, I
will offer no input as I don't feel I have the right to do so.
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Hope this proves useful.
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Ron Corcoran
Twin Galaxies Mame Deca2000 Coordinator
Twin Galaxies Atari & Commodore Worldwide Editor
http://www.snipercade.com
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sniper75@mindspring.com
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Alex Weir
Ron,
My apologies. I thought I once read that Stig was a regional TG
referee/judge for the Scandinavian region ( on the TG homepage ).I`m
fairly sure of this. Maybe you or someone else can confirm this?
I didn`t mean to question the integrity or honesty of anyone involved
with TG.
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Stig, I know you`re getting a lot of stick ( which if you`re
guilty ,is well justified ), but if it`s a case of someone
impersonating you than thats a very serious and unwanted developement
at MARP , and I apologise for any comments made about you.
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And if it`s happened once , will this be a regular occurance ? What
next ? Loads of ' Rory Bremner-type posts ' ( famous UK
impressioist ) flying insults or whatever to whomever , and getting
away with it ? God I hope not.
Lets just play the games and have decent threads , and forget about
the bitching ( except where you`ve no choice ! ), moaning, and
altogether total non-ethics etc...etc....
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p.s Has someone downloaded T.Alex`s NZ Story INP ? I was just
wondering if he used the ' unlimited warp ' trick which I sent to a
few of you guys a while back. This should be banned if so.( its a bit
like the GnG scenario, that is , its unfair to a player who can
complete the game normally ).If it`s allowed to stand , well then
I`ll be total hypocrite and send a score in ( and scab few LB points
into the bargain !)The GnG scores are STILL there.
Then again, seems that the banned techniques don`t seem to be banned
in most ( all? ) cases.I know its hard to police this 'banned' thing.
Oh well , if ye can`t beat `em....join `em ( until we`re
banned/deleted ).
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Went a bit off the point there a bit with the original thread, but
covered a few points and now me fingers are sore.......
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Not quite in the same league as Ben Jos though)!!!
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Slan,
ALEX
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alexweir@indigo.ie
My apologies. I thought I once read that Stig was a regional TG
referee/judge for the Scandinavian region ( on the TG homepage ).I`m
fairly sure of this. Maybe you or someone else can confirm this?
I didn`t mean to question the integrity or honesty of anyone involved
with TG.
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Stig, I know you`re getting a lot of stick ( which if you`re
guilty ,is well justified ), but if it`s a case of someone
impersonating you than thats a very serious and unwanted developement
at MARP , and I apologise for any comments made about you.
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And if it`s happened once , will this be a regular occurance ? What
next ? Loads of ' Rory Bremner-type posts ' ( famous UK
impressioist ) flying insults or whatever to whomever , and getting
away with it ? God I hope not.
Lets just play the games and have decent threads , and forget about
the bitching ( except where you`ve no choice ! ), moaning, and
altogether total non-ethics etc...etc....
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p.s Has someone downloaded T.Alex`s NZ Story INP ? I was just
wondering if he used the ' unlimited warp ' trick which I sent to a
few of you guys a while back. This should be banned if so.( its a bit
like the GnG scenario, that is , its unfair to a player who can
complete the game normally ).If it`s allowed to stand , well then
I`ll be total hypocrite and send a score in ( and scab few LB points
into the bargain !)The GnG scores are STILL there.
Then again, seems that the banned techniques don`t seem to be banned
in most ( all? ) cases.I know its hard to police this 'banned' thing.
Oh well , if ye can`t beat `em....join `em ( until we`re
banned/deleted ).
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Went a bit off the point there a bit with the original thread, but
covered a few points and now me fingers are sore.......
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Not quite in the same league as Ben Jos though
)!!! <p>
Slan,
ALEX
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alexweir@indigo.ie
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Chad
right now nearly none of the banned techniques are enforced by the
MARP judgers. There will be a way where this will be a feature of
marp in the future, but for now you will have to either complain to
the user to zero out their score for a banned upload and also make
sure you aren't using any banned techniques or making recordings for
unplaybackable games (Last Blade 2 , Game Guru?) At least gameboy9
zeroed his score out very quickly when he uploaded the unplaybackable
inp file for lastbld2, some people never playback their recordings
after they record and manage to make themselves look pretty sloppy....
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churritz@cts.com
MARP judgers. There will be a way where this will be a feature of
marp in the future, but for now you will have to either complain to
the user to zero out their score for a banned upload and also make
sure you aren't using any banned techniques or making recordings for
unplaybackable games (Last Blade 2 , Game Guru?) At least gameboy9
zeroed his score out very quickly when he uploaded the unplaybackable
inp file for lastbld2, some people never playback their recordings
after they record and manage to make themselves look pretty sloppy....
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churritz@cts.com
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Tim Morrow
Alex does use an infinite warp trick to rack up most of his points in
his TNZS recording. After point leeching though he goes on to 'almost'
finish the game. He only failed to finish the game because In the last
level the game crashes with a rom error which may well be an emulation
error instead - he lost 3 lives (I think) before the emulation packed
it in completely. The infinite warp technique is not banned as it is
not on the banned technique list.
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As a additional note - even if the technique was on the banned list
it wouldn't matter because very few of the rules on MARP are ever
enforced. The automated scripts would still register his high score
and assign him full points anyway. A lot of people want things done
about it but nothing ever is and probably never will be. That is the
nature of MARP.
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tjmorrow@bigpond.com
his TNZS recording. After point leeching though he goes on to 'almost'
finish the game. He only failed to finish the game because In the last
level the game crashes with a rom error which may well be an emulation
error instead - he lost 3 lives (I think) before the emulation packed
it in completely. The infinite warp technique is not banned as it is
not on the banned technique list.
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As a additional note - even if the technique was on the banned list
it wouldn't matter because very few of the rules on MARP are ever
enforced. The automated scripts would still register his high score
and assign him full points anyway. A lot of people want things done
about it but nothing ever is and probably never will be. That is the
nature of MARP.
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tjmorrow@bigpond.com
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Alex Weir
Well in that case I`ll upload a score on NZ Story. I know the rules
aren`t enforced, but someday hopefully they will. Don`t particularly
like doing this, but it`s not on the banned list (yet). If/when the
rules are enforced, I`ll gladly delete my score.
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ALEX
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alexweir@indigo.ie
aren`t enforced, but someday hopefully they will. Don`t particularly
like doing this, but it`s not on the banned list (yet). If/when the
rules are enforced, I`ll gladly delete my score.
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ALEX
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alexweir@indigo.ie